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It clearly states in the settlement that the entire short block assembly is covered for life if the KSDS update has been done. So why is everyone getting turned down? It is all in writing. A quick internet search will tell you all you need to know. Shame on you, Kia!
 

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It's because the KSDS CEL 1306 didn't come on because of a problem that wasn't related to the initial problem, engine seizure.
Head gaskets, valve seats, broken piston, broken spark plugs, are not part of the safety recall, and can't blame Kia/Hyundai if
they don't want to replace every engine that has a problem.

Are there more and more of these engines that are having unusual problems, or let's say major problems that aren't
related to the seizure recall, must say I really don't know., but when on a forum one usually sees all the problem
vehicles.

If one has a major problem with no CEL, better to have the CEL light and engine seizes, then take it to the dealer.
 

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It's because the KSDS CEL 1306 didn't come on because of a problem that wasn't related to the initial problem, engine seizure.
Head gaskets, valve seats, broken piston, broken spark plugs, are not part of the safety recall, and can't blame Kia/Hyundai if
they don't want to replace every engine that has a problem.

Are there more and more of these engines that are having unusual problems, or let's say major problems that aren't
related to the seizure recall, must say I really don't know., but when on a forum one usually sees all the problem
vehicles.

If one has a major problem with no CEL, better to have the CEL light and engine seizes, then take it to the dealer.
I agree on most of your points. Where does it say in the settlement the code has to be thrown to be covered?? Last year they were replacing these engines just for burning excessive oil... The fact remains these engines are faulty. There is a major settlement that clearly states short block assembly is covered for life with KSDS done. As long as major neglect is not the cause. Now it seems everyone that has a engine seizure are getting denied all of a sudden. It is not right. We have paid our hard earned money for these vehicles and even with a major recall they are making it harder and harder to get an engine replacement done when it is supposed to be covered for life. They replaced yours because it was burning a ton of oil. I call for same issue and they say sorry no can do. The poor woman on the other thread has a baby on the way and her engine seized/ "stalled"... Even if it was a spark plug. Guess you replaced them? The dealership!! So where is the responsibility on Kia's part?? All of her maintainance done at dealership...She got the KSDS done and they are still denying her?? Seriously? It is not good business and it is terrible of Kia to do this bout face. You have said it yourself. These engines are junk. It is just a matter of time for all of us before they go. It is time Kia stepped up and replace these faulty engines as the settlement states instead of giving honest, hardworking people the runaround..
 

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I agree on most of your points. Where does it say in the settlement the code has to be thrown to be covered??
Think you'll find when the entire document is read, you'll see that "short-block" is what is covered under the warranty.
In the most recent cases I've seen, head gasket, valve seat, spark plug breakage, etc was not a defect in the short-block
that resulted in engine seizure.

The settlement also states that reimbursement would be forthcoming if the short-block was replaced prior to the settlement.
I would agree that if these problems occurred prior to the settlement, and the original damage was other than oil flow/seizure, e.g. spark plug breakage that knocked out a piston requiring a short-block replacement, Kia would have compensated the owner, providing the problem wasn't spelled out on the invoice.

The best way to have the engine covered is to make certain it has seized before the dealer investigates.

I also agree, that originally they replaced engines due to ridiculous oil consumption as my '11 2.0T was replaced qt/325 miles 12/2019, 172000 miles. Ran great, but as can be seen used an alarming amount of oil, but they have now ceased replacement of oil burning engines, and I think that to be deplorable.
 

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Next remedy could be a Lawsuit. It won't go to court but a settlement could be in your favor.

I'd never been to a Kia dealer, visited my local one in Austin, its like a mom n' pop store, tiny sales area yet a Huge repair area, hmmmm.
 

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It clearly states in the settlement that the entire short block assembly is covered for life if the KSDS update has been done. So why is everyone getting turned down? It is all in writing. A quick internet search will tell you all you need to know. Shame on you, Kia!
Check back here when your engine seizes and then you are denied. They have to be specific on why the denial occurred. Every case is treated as an individual. Many seizures are not the fault of Kia. They are the fault of ownership's lack of maintenance, and/or abuse.
 
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Just purchased a 2013 w/ 88k miles, so I'm curious to know more about the seizing issues. Seems like many cases had to do with a manufacturing defect and Kia has been owning up to it. Any suggested reading I should do on this?

The car I bought was clean as can be and clearly been well maintained since the Carfax had a service record at every scheduled interval, so I feel very good about the condition. But now I'm wondering if I should look into an extended warranty (never considered one in the past) once my 2 year/12k warranty is up...
 

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It's because the KSDS CEL 1306 didn't come on because of a problem that wasn't related to the initial problem, engine seizure.
Head gaskets, valve seats, broken piston, broken spark plugs, are not part of the safety recall, and can't blame Kia/Hyundai if
they don't want to replace every engine that has a problem.

Are there more and more of these engines that are having unusual problems, or let's say major problems that aren't
related to the seizure recall, must say I really don't know., but when on a forum one usually sees all the problem
vehicles.

If one has a major problem with no CEL, better to have the CEL light and engine seizes, then take it to the dealer.
Hmm. Did you ever alter the ECU with the LAP3 uncle chip and then remove it thinking they would never know? Because if you do not reflash the ECU they WILL know and your new engine will be from X junkyard at a zip code near you for $1200 with 34k on it (yeah right because all used car parts places are super honest). So at least 70k on it, but I have researched this and in the mid-atlantic Damascus MD auto parts are the most honest. Sorry if your engine is locked up.
 

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Just purchased a 2013 w/ 88k miles, so I'm curious to know more about the seizing issues. Seems like many cases had to do with a manufacturing defect and Kia has been owning up to it. Any suggested reading I should do on this?

The car I bought was clean as can be and clearly been well maintained since the Carfax had a service record at every scheduled interval, so I feel very good about the condition. But now I'm wondering if I should look into an extended warranty (never considered one in the past) once my 2 year/12k warranty is up...
All the engines are subject, regardless of the maintenance that had been performed prior to your purchase. No rhyme nor reason why some seize, some don't,
but I'm a believer in that the cylinder walls become egg-shaped, the resulting debris clogs the oiling system, then the engine goes boom. My guess is that
@ 10% of the engines are replaced, not a big percentage, but if you're the owner, most don't enjoy the experience.
As you can see by the recent posts, Kia/Hyundai have been tightening their belts and not replacing high oil consumption engines, as well as the examples of other problems that have caused engine damage that isn't covered by the lifetime warranty.

Unless your vehicle was a certified Kia product, the original 10/100k mile warranty is only for the original owner, and being the second owner it drops to 5/60k miles. Any addition warranty coverage would certainly be dependent of the cost and coverage, but for most it would be an insurance policy that could ease your mind.
 

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All the engines are subject, regardless of the maintenance that had been performed prior to your purchase. No rhyme nor reason why some seize, some don't,
but I'm a believer in that the cylinder walls become egg-shaped, the resulting debris clogs the oiling system, then the engine goes boom. My guess is that
@ 10% of the engines are replaced, not a big percentage, but if you're the owner, most don't enjoy the experience.
As you can see by the recent posts, Kia/Hyundai have been tightening their belts and not replacing high oil consumption engines, as well as the examples of other problems that have caused engine damage that isn't covered by the lifetime warranty.

Unless your vehicle was a certified Kia product, the original 10/100k mile warranty is only for the original owner, and being the second owner it drops to 5/60k miles. Any addition warranty coverage would certainly be dependent of the cost and coverage, but for most it would be an insurance policy that could ease your mind.
Good to know about that - I'll definitely be continuing the rigorous maintenance from the previous owners :p

In the case of my warranty, I think it's a dealer specific thing they include for all their used cars.
 

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It clearly states in the settlement that the entire short block assembly is covered for life if the KSDS update has been done. So why is everyone getting turned down? It is all in writing. A quick internet search will tell you all you need to know. Shame on you, Kia!
Monday Feb 7, 2021, I was taking my dogs to the vet. My engine light came on. My car started knocking. I took it to my mechanic. He told me he had bad news. He said that my engine was going out on me. He told me that my car would cost 4,800 to repair. That was for a used engine for my 2013 Kia optima es. Before I left he checked the oil. The oil was black.

I had just changed the oil January the 21st, 2021. It is not been a month. When I took it to Midas where I had the oil changed. They made sure they showed me were they changed the oil and had recorded. Before I left they handed me a print out that said that the 2.4 engine GDI was being recalled. I typed in my vin and it did not show that there was a recall but it had recall for other issues. So I called the dealer and I took my car to the dealer after making an appointment.

I had no clue that there was a class action suit. I had no clue that started January the 27th 2021 said Kia started notifying owners of select Kia's that they would be replacing some engines.

I was a little concerned so I called Kia direct. And I reached out to them on Facebook. While our car was still at the dealer. I had no clue that the dealer had already contacted Kia and that they had started a case on my car. Yesterday I'll call just to check on the status of my car and they notified me that they would be replacing my engine and they gave me a rental car.

I have been following the forums because I wanted to get more information and to be quite honest you're the third person out of hundreds that I've seen saying that they were denied. Most of the claims have been approved. Good luck
 

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They didn't deny mine. Pulled in driveway one night and everything was fine. Engine knock by time I got up my driveway. Called 1-800#. The very next morning they showed up with rollback and a rental car to drive. 10 days later with NO questions asked I had new LONG block and everything was done perfectly. Could not tell it had been worked on. Supplied me with paperwork showing almost 8k in repairs with a 0 dollar balance ! By far the best customer service I have ever dealt with or even heard of ! Very very happy with KIA!
 

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They didn't deny mine. Pulled in driveway one night and everything was fine. Engine knock by time I got up my driveway. Called 1-800#. The very next morning they showed up with rollback and a rental car to drive. 10 days later with NO questions asked I had new LONG block and everything was done perfectly. Could not tell it had been worked on. Supplied me with paperwork showing almost 8k in repairs with a 0 dollar balance ! By far the best customer service I have ever dealt with or even heard of ! Very very happy with KIA!
Was your car still under the initial warranty? My 2013 SXL just went out out of the blue on Memorial Day at 78k on the odometer which ironically was 1200 past my dealer's extended warranty (I'm the second owner so only got the 5/60k). I had it towed to the dealer I purchased it from just to see that the warranty had already expired with them. I called a tow service and had it sent directly to a KIA dealership and had them call me today saying they would not cover the repairs because KSDS/ECU had not been updated.

I'm a bit fiery right now and per the KIA rep I spoke to over the phone they just recently stopped doing these repairs for all vehicles although she couldn't gave me an exact date of this change in policy. Ironically, I had been looking into buying my wife a KIA Telluride but that won't be happening anymore as I will be out easily 5k+ in repairs for.
 

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KSDS/ECU had not been updated.
Sorry for the hassle and expenses. Can you find a mechanic or someone that is not a dealership to replace your engine? Maybe that would save some costs?

Any story behind the update not being performed? Is there a chance that it was performed at some point?
 

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Sorry for the hassle and expenses. Can you find a mechanic or someone that is not a dealership to replace your engine? Maybe that would save some costs?

Any story behind the update not being performed? Is there a chance that it was performed at some point?
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The last time I took it into a dealer was in the summer of 2018 prior to the recall for the ECU but they did do the check for the 2017 recall for bearing wear, oil lines, and flexible coupling. I never got any recall letters via mail email and personally never had any issues with the vehicle up until this point. I'm researching engine prices online and will at least confirm with KIA that I can bring that engine in to have the ECU updated with the same warranty given moving forward.

It's unfortunate because it doesn't seem like the update actually saved many engines and just let you know it needed to be replaced before completely going out.
 

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It's unfortunate because it doesn't seem like the update actually saved many engines and just let you know it needed to be replaced before completely going out.
The update wasn't intended to "save" the engine ,its purpose was to alert the driver that there is a potential engine seizure coming shortly so they can get the
vehicle to the dealer before it seizes while driving, and then the possibility of engine fire and/or accident.

Didn't work as planned on the daughter's 2017 Santa Fe, 72,000 miles, CEL came on and 9 miles later the engine seized on a narrow country road in
pouring down rain. Car towed, engine replaced.
Hyundai/Kia, great cars!!!!
 

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I'm a bit fiery right now and per the KIA rep I spoke to over the phone they just recently stopped doing these repairs for all vehicles although she couldn't gave me an exact date of this change in policy. Ironically, I had been looking into buying my wife a KIA Telluride but that won't be happening anymore as I will be out easily 5k+ in repairs for.
I would not take the statement by the Kia representative as gospel. Have you tried to escalate further? Sounds like you were not given notice of the class action settlement and requirement to install the update.

Since you're experiencing difficulties with Kia honoring warranty work, I recommend visiting the Class Administrator's website: Kia Engine Settlement - Home. There is contact information on their website if you have any questions.
 

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Didn't work as planned on the daughter's 2017 Santa Fe, 72,000 miles, CEL came on and 9 miles later the engine seized on a narrow country road in
pouring down rain. Car towed, engine replaced.
Hyundai/Kia, great cars!!!!
Great cars?.... great for the dollar value.
Great engines?.... more like subpar, when concerning TGDI four cylinder varieties, post 2012.
Even the GDIs four cylinders I wouldn't Grade above Fair.

If you were joking with that statement, your post is missing those joking icon smileys.
 
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Great cars?.... great for the dollar value.
Great engines?.... more like subpar, when concerning TGDI four cylinder varieties, post 2012.
Even the GDIs four cylinders I wouldn't Grade above Fair.

If you were joking with that statement, your post is missing those joking icon smileys.
Better change that beginning of trouble year to 2011, and yes I was being facetious with that reply.
Great cars (n):rolleyes::LOL::giggle:
 
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